She shouldn't act surprised when..

**R13** · November 27th, 2010, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Shooter

So you are saying she supports underage sex? No, she simply said it was unrealistic to think it won't happen. That doesn't mean you can't promote abstinence. I just don't see how anyone can fault someone for trying to teach people to learn from her mistakes, paid or not.

And what connotations does it have? When r13 uses it, he means to say this set of people are hate filled bigots, war mongers, white supremist. Pretty demeaning to someone who might describe themselves as a redneck, but just meaning country, bass fishin, deer huntin good ol boys.
Kind of like the difference between me saying the N-word, or black people calling themselves that.
You've never heard a gay person refer to themselves as f@g? you must be joking.

I'm definately not defending her calling someone [email protected] theres really no difference in what r13 does with "redneck". He uses it as a demeaning word, simple as that...but it is let go over and over.

He's saying her word doesn't mean jack shit when you say one thing/do one thing, then money is added to the equation and you say another. Faulting her ongoing hypocrisy is what's being done, abstinence is a cool thing parents can say to their kids, but it should never be promoted as an only option or main option - waste of breath, time, money.

How about you go and look at what I said I mean it as instead of spouting off about 'what I mean'. I think I've called two people that on here, mostly at maplegap and that's exactly what I think he is. Its not a racial slur, I'm white btw so I always think its ridiculous when someone tries to make it racial when they're both the same color. Just a lot of grasping by you as usual anyway, a redneck isn't a good thing to be, no one I know thinks it is either - its not slang for just a country person. So if someone wants to call their self that and act like it, they'll be treated like one.

**Milk3** · November 28th, 2010, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by Biggin

thats a stretch, redneck does not have the connotations that the other word has, and numerous people on here have bragged about being rednecks. I can show you the posts. Thats not the same at all.
Ive heard numerous people, on here as well, that are proud to be "rednecks" (their words)
but ive never heard a gay person say he was proud to be a "f@g"

Black people refer to themselves and others as the N word so does that make that OK to say now then,right? If "rednecks" were not white you better be damn sure it would be just as bad to say as any other racial slur

**Milk3** · November 28th, 2010, 03:48 AM

Definitions of a redneck.
an uneducated white farm laborer, esp. from the South.
a bigot or reactionary, esp. from the rural working class.
narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude.
a poor uneducated White farm worker

Redneck | Define Redneck at Dictionary.com

**Shooter** · November 28th, 2010, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by R13

He's saying her word doesn't mean jack shit when you say one thing/do one thing, then money is added to the equation and you say another. Faulting her ongoing hypocrisy is what's being done, abstinence is a cool thing parents can say to their kids, but it should never be promoted as an only option or main option - waste of breath, time, money.

I was 17 once..young, stupid, thought I was on top of the world. Got my gf pregnant, and had a daughter shortly after I turned 18 and my gf 17. That daughter is now 17...does it make me a hypocrite to try and teach her she should wait? Are we not supposed to learn from our mistakes?

Originally Posted by R13

How about you go and look at what I said I mean it as instead of spouting off about 'what I mean'. I think I've called two people that on here, mostly at maplegap and that's exactly what I think he is. Its not a racial slur, I'm white btw so I always think its ridiculous when someone tries to make it racial when they're both the same color. Just a lot of grasping by you as usual anyway, a redneck isn't a good thing to be, no one I know thinks it is either - its not slang for just a country person. So if someone wants to call their self that and act like it, they'll be treated like one.

ok, so let me get this straight...it's ok for you do down people who you think are "rednecks" simply because you are white. So, Palin's f@g remark should be ok as long as she is talking about white homosexuals? I mean, since it's not a racial slur. Like you said, if someone calls themselves that, and act like it...they will be treated like one.

Who's the real hypocrite?

**R13** · December 2nd, 2010, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Shooter

I was 17 once..young, stupid, thought I was on top of the world. Got my gf pregnant, and had a daughter shortly after I turned 18 and my gf 17. That daughter is now 17...does it make me a hypocrite to try and teach her she should wait? Are we not supposed to learn from our mistakes?

Well anyones word wouldn't carry as much weight under those citcumstances when trying to convince a teen to not do it. I don't get what you're saying. I'm talking about abstinence only, telling your kid "hey don't do this etc. etc. etc." is just fine, but then teaching them or constantly reminding them to be safe and practice safe sex.

Originally Posted by Shooter

ok, so let me get this straight...it's ok for you do down people who you think are "rednecks" simply because you are white. So, Palin's f@g remark should be ok as long as she is talking about white homosexuals? I mean, since it's not a racial slur. Like you said, if someone calls themselves that, and act like it...they will be treated like one.

If you're making it a racial issue, than yeah. Race has nothing to do with it when I say that though, it's not close to being anything like the n-word or the gay slurs, really ridiculous to compare the two. Second part, I just don't know what the hell you're talking about lmao. There's a difference in slurs/names that offend others based on things they cannot help as opposed to something like a redneck who CAN help being ignorant trash.

Originally Posted by Shooter

Who's the real hypocrite?

Probably still you.

**Shooter** · December 3rd, 2010, 01:10 PM

Well, I had a huge reply written out, but I deleted it. Pointless. I'm taking a break from this place for awhile. Go pat yourself on the back some more.

**R13** · December 4th, 2010, 12:21 AM

For someone who you claim doesn't know much, you always bow out when you realize you have no argument.

**Shooter** · December 4th, 2010, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by R13

For someone who you claim doesn't know much, you always bow out when you realize you have no argument.

No, i just realize its pointless to argue with you. I'll agree you are well read and know the subjects you argue...BUT, that doesn't mean you are always right, or gives you the right to look down on others, which you do before you deny it. You have no interest in listening to anyone but yourself, so why even try. Im mean, at your 20 or 21 years of age, you've learned all there is to know about life. You've met a president! You are the most accomplished person around..oooh.

Its just like Gotch said, its not that you know more, or are smarter, you just outlast in an argument because people get sick of arguing with a young guy who thinks he's on top of the world and knows everything.

You say it's ok to call people a dumb redneck....I'd love to see you call some of those dumb rednecks that to their face, instead of behind the protection of your computer screen and see how well that goes over.

**R13** · December 4th, 2010, 09:01 PM

I don't look down on anyone, I just dish everything right back out. You and others sit here and say I'm wrong, full of it and blah blah blah...so say go ahead and show me where I am, I do a lot of reading, so I know most of the time what I'm arguing is right. That's just being confident in what I know and learned when I say prove me wrong. Like I said, I've only called like 2 people on here rednecks and I absolutely think that's what they are - esp. when I've gotten several threats from each one of them trying to pick a fight. So don't expect me to treat someone with any kind of respect when they are acting like morons.

Because I continue to ask where I am wrong or prove where I am wrong? 99% you all just deflect with this same argument of 'well i can't argue with you, no point" stuff that I've heard a million times. Just don't tell someone how wrong/dumb/full of shit they are and not back it up when asked why.

I don't really care to say anything on here to someones face. Though I leave everything at the computer since it's the damn interenet and I don't care about anything said or take anything personally, which I've had more thrown at me more than anyone else, I just don't really care. But there's no hiding, my myspace/facebook is pn my profile, that has my picture and name on it. Most know me on here, my name at least, talk to several people on here(not just the ones you think either) outside of the forum...so it's no hiding behind anything, I've never hid anything on here, like I said I don't take this shit too seriously. If I took everything so irrelevant and small as things said on the internet to heart, I'd stay pissed, it's just pathetic anyway...

**Rocky** · December 5th, 2010, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by R13

I don't look down on anyone, I just dish everything right back out. You and others sit here and say I'm wrong, full of it and blah blah blah...so say go ahead and show me where I am, I do a lot of reading, so I know most of the time what I'm arguing is right. That's just being confident in what I know and learned when I say prove me wrong. Like I said, I've only called like 2 people on here rednecks and I absolutely think that's what they are - esp. when I've gotten several threats from each one of them trying to pick a fight. So don't expect me to treat someone with any kind of respect when they are acting like morons.

Because I continue to ask where I am wrong or prove where I am wrong? 99% you all just deflect with this same argument of 'well i can't argue with you, no point" stuff that I've heard a million times. Just don't tell someone how wrong/dumb/full of shit they are and not back it up when asked why.

I don't really care to say anything on here to someones face. Though I leave everything at the computer since it's the damn interenet and I don't care about anything said or take anything personally, which I've had more thrown at me more than anyone else, I just don't really care. But there's no hiding, my myspace/facebook is pn my profile, that has my picture and name on it. Most know me on here, my name at least, talk to several people on here(not just the ones you think either) outside of the forum...so it's no hiding behind anything, I've never hid anything on here, like I said I don't take this shit too seriously. If I took everything so irrelevant and small as things said on the internet to heart, I'd stay pissed, it's just pathetic anyway...

really the only thing in this thread that didnt make sense to me was that you said something derogatory about the palin's for being liars..... yet you love bill clinton, besides that you are just expressing opinion, hard to argue with anyone for having an opinion.